Bernard Rice ~1804- 1868.

1823-1831 Bernard Rice married Martha Pole , probably in Ireland. Very unlikely Martha Powell, Macroom 1809, bapt. to an Edward Powell - this from McCourt family tree - now in email contact with her. Several Ancestry trees give her as Martha Powell, but the 1831 IGI entry for the baptism of her first child states Pole- possible 1838-1853 state b.cs. give her as Martha Powell

Descendants- Lindsey, McCourt Ancestry tree - of his son John Rice 1835 think he may have had brothers John ~1799, Owen ~1802 and Luke~1801: these 3 all in Louth? 1841C. I doubt/doubted the last 2 as these names not given to any of Bernard's sons . In 1851C there is a John Rice, 52, hawker, b.Ireland also living in Spring Gardens as a lodger , just 5 houses away from Barney Rice. An Owen Rice , 38, hawker, b. Ireland is living Aswell lane in Louth in 1841C- but could not find him indexed on FMP nor on Ancestry, just by searching all Aswell lane ~ p. 13 on the same Louth return as Bryan in Spring Gardens on Ancestry ! Now found on FMP!

Owen Rice Male 38 1803 Ireland
lodger, hawker . Living Aswell Road Louth

An Owen Rice, aged 81, dies Louth Sep 1877 - so where is he in the 1851, 1861 and 1871 censuses??

But I have so far found no evidence of a Luke, except for an 1865 Caistor death entry for a 64 year old - do not know how anyone knows this, before ages put on bmd!! - McCourt family tree states it, but unproven - Luke Rice- no census entries!. Also a Luke Rice was born to the other Thomas Rice,1835, from Sligo, in 1865 - so any older Luke more likely to be from this family . The 1865 death could be of a previous Luke born to Thomas, Sligo

By 1831 they are in Market Rasen, then in Louth by 1835. .

1837. Thomas Rice born Louth Dec1837 to Bernard/Bryan/Barney Rice and Martha Pole, who would have married ~1830, maybe back in Ireland, although 1841C does not give Ireland as Matty's birthplace . This b.c would confirm Martha's maiden name, but would not tell us from where they came in Ireland

1841C. Bryan Rice, 35 - ages rounded down! - , hawker, is living with his wife and 4 children in Spring Gardens Louth

Bryan Rice Male 35 1806 Ireland  
Matty Rice Female 30 1811 -  
Mary Rice Female 10 1831 Lincolnshire, England  
John Rice Male 6 1835 Lincolnshire, England  
Thomas Rice Male 3 1838 Lincolnshire, England  
Barry Rice Male 1 1840 Lincolnshire, England

Barny & Martha also had : Mary 1831- 1876, baptised 19/1/1831 in Market Rasen RC to Brian Rice and Matty Pole - IGI, marrying Mooney in 1851, John 1835- descendants Lindsay McCourt, email contact, Barry/Barney/Bernard 1840-1873 , Bridget 1843 & Martha A 1853. .

1851C. Barney Rice, 50, ag labourer, is living with his wife and 5 children in Spring Gardens Louth . Also a niece with her son. Mary born Market Rasen other 4 children born Louth

Barney Rice Head Married Male 50 1801 Agr Labourer Ireland  
Martha Rice Wife Married Female 55 1796 - Ireland  
Mary Rice Daughter Unmarried Female 20 1831 Servt Lincolnshire, England  
John Rice Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 Agri Labourer Louth, Lincolnshire, England  
Thomas Rice Son Unmarried Male 12 1839 Agri Labourer Louth, Lincolnshire, England  
Barney Rice Son - Male 10 1841 Agri Labourer Louth, Lincolnshire, England  
Bridget Rice Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Louth, Lincolnshire, England  
Catherine Stinson Niece Married Female 27 1824 Ag Lab's Wife Ireland  
Michael Stinson - - Male 2 1849 - Moulton, Lincolnshire, England

Cannot find a Stinson marriage to a Catherine, not the birth of Michael!!. Nor can I find either of them in 1861C!

3/10/2020 received the following from a Gary Smith : We are direct line to Thomas` brother John and have the copy of the Census document. On your clickable page for Barney (a.k.a. Bryan in 1841 and Barnard in 1861) you remarked about the niece Catherine Stinson having no traceability. On the document I looked at all the capital H and S letters and was beginning to believe it may be a H instead of S. Until...Two doors away (26) Patrick Stinson (possible father to Catherine ?) has a sharp crossing of the T on his Christian and surname and worst of all... the S in Spring Garden looks similar; as does the H in Harriet at the 25th house ! So, to summarize... Stinson could be the lesser known Hinson if you wish to search for Hinsons to help your trace. My partner, Julie and I take great pleasure from searching family trees, her Herrick, my Smith and Eileen`s Rice. We have a 1900`s map of Louth and `Streets Of Louth` book that shows the houses that are now demolished or still present. I am also looking at Marbutts for Eileen`s nieces and co.

1856. His brother John got married to Mary Ann Avey in St James' C of E in Gt Grimsby, he, Thomas, was a witness, his mark. Also sister Bridgit, who seemed to sign her name, as did John - West Ancestry Family Tree . John Rice died in 1904, leaving £1071, his wife Mary Ann Rice/Avey the executor- she died 1916. .

1861C. Bernard Rice, 58, hawker, says married, lodger, is living with 2 sons but no wife, at 30 Kidgate Louth .

William Kayss Head Married Male 44 1817 Bricklayers Labourer Ireland Ballinhoy  
Ann Kayss Wife Married Female 45 1816 - Ireland Ballinhoy  
Robert Kayss Son - Male 17 1844 Status Apprentice Louth, Lincolnshire, England  
Bridget Kayss Daughter - Female 15 1846 House Servant Louth, Lincolnshire, England  
John Kayss Son - Male 11 1850 Scholar Louth, Lincolnshire, England  
Ann Kayss Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Louth, Lincolnshire, England  
John Roney Lodger Married Male 62 1799 Hawker Ireland Newry  
Bernard Rice Lodger Married Male 58 1803 Hawker Ireland Conway  
Thomas Rice Lodger Unmarried Male 23 1838 Hawker Louth, Lincolnshire, England  
Bernard Rice Lodger Unmarried Male 21 1840 Hawker Louth, Lincolnshire, England  
John Hunt Lodger Unmarried Male 27 1834 Hawker Ireland Conway

Conway Ireland does not exist!!. Could possibly read Cousey??.

His wife, Martha Rice, 60, married, is living with daughters Bridget Rice 18 and Martha A Rice 8 in Pincushion Square, Gt Grimsby, son John Rice, 25, married and daughter Mary Mooney, 30, are living in the same square, on the previous census page. Mistranscribed as Martha Rea on FMP. I cannot find a Bmd birth entry for Martha, supposed 1853! daughter.

So she has left Louth 1851-1861

Martha Rea Wife Married Female 60 1801 - Corry, Invernessshire, Scotland  
Bridget Rea Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1843 - Louth, Lincolnshire, England  
Martha A Rea Daughter - Female 8 1853 - Louth, Lincolnshire, England

Her birthplace actually reads as Cosey, Ireland - so a large mistranscription here!!. No such place as Cosey!!- similar to the Conway written for her husband !

1868. Bernard Rice, 64, dies Caistor Dec 1868. The Caistor district includes Grimsby but not Louth, so he obviously followed Martha to Grimsby after the 1861C. . Unsurprisingly, no probate!

1871C. Bernard has died . The 1872 d.c would prove that the below Martha is our Martha Rice here - the informant should be one of her children, and should say who was her husband- but fairly confident this is she .

Martha Rice 70, receiving parish aid, East Street, Gt Grimsby

Martha Rice Head - Female 70 1801 - Ireland

1872. Martha Rice, 64, dies Caistor Jun 1872 - would suggest a birth of ~1808, but censuses indicate ~1801

Have also contacted an Atkin anc.family tree, just 66 people, descended from John Rice 1836 thru' daut. Mary Rice

I am doing research for a friend, Anthony Hill, who has Bernard ~1804 as his 3xggrandfather, he coming down the line Thomas Rice 1837, William Bernard Rice 1863, Frances Mary Rice 1892- his paternal grandmother

Could you tell me how you have got the surname Powell= have you got any of the children's birth certs?

Will willingly give you my website where all my research has been put

Please contact me at
chris@chrisgrant.eu
Thanks so much
Chris

Also, as quoted from the Atkin tree, White & Stiff Ancestry family trees

son John Rice died 9 Jan 1904, leaving Probate >£1000 . In 1876 he was a Marine Store Dealer in Monks Dyke Road, Louth- Kellys

 

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