Philip Whincop senior 1856-1916

1856. Philip Whincop is born Yarmouth , Suffolk Jun 1856 to parents Philip Whincop and Maria Shimmon- this was a second marriage for his father. Birth date 13/5/1856, father given as a master mariner -Garry, likely from his RNR record

1860. Emma Jane Whincop was baptised Yarmouth to Philip & Maria Whincop on 15/6/1860 - Ancestry

1861C Philip Whinsap - mistranslated as Whinsap on Bmd and as Whincup on Ancestry! -, 5, is living with his parents, father a Publican, and 4 siblings at Gullen, South Quay St Nicholas Yarmouth

Philip	Whinsap	Head	Married	Male	59	1802	Publican	Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Maria	Whinsap	Wife	Married	Female	42	1819	-	Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Louisa	Whinsap	Daughter	Unmarried	Female	9	1852	Scholar	Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Maria	Whinsap	Daughter	Unmarried	Female	7	1854	Scholar	Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Philip	Whinsap	Son	Unmarried	Male	5	1856	Scholar	Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Frederick	Whinsap	Son	Unmarried	Male	4	1857	-	Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Emma	Whinsap	Daughter	Unmarried	Female	0	1861	-	Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Thomas	Cook	Boarder	Unmarried	Male	52	1809	Mariner Merchant Seaman	Great Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
William	Dayley	Boarder	Unmarried	Male	22	1839	Mariner Merchant Seaman	Norfolk, England
Susan	Chase	Servant	Widow	Female	55	1806	Domestic Servant	Norfolk, England
John	Lewy	Boarder	Unmarried	Male	45	1816	Painter	Norwich, Norfolk, England

1861. His mother, Maria Whincop, dies Yarmouth Jun 1861 . She had 5 children who survived infancy. His father,Philip, 1901, is left with 5 children, aged 0-9!, but he does have the luxury of a female servant.

1871C. Philip Whincop, 14, born Yarmouth, is living with his father Philip, widowed and 2 siblings as lodgers in Row, Gt Yarmouth

Eliza	Wells	Wife	-	Female	52	1819	-	Suffolk, England
Mary A	Boyce	Daughter	-	Female	23	1848	-	Suffolk, England
Eliza	Boyce	Granddaughter	-	Female	3	1868	-	Norfolk, England
Eleanor	England	Lodger	-	Female	47	1824	-	Norfolk, England
Elizabeth	England	Lodger	-	Female	17	1854	-	Norfolk, England
Philip	Whincop	Lodger	-	Male	70	1801	-	Norfolk, England
Maria	Whincop	Daughter	-	Female	17	1854	-	Norfolk, England
Philip	Whincop	Son	-	Male	14	1857	-	Norfolk, England
Frederick	Whincop	Son	-	Male	12	1859	-	Norfolk, England

What has happened to Louisa 1852 and Emma 1860? Former - maybe a servant ? Latter seemingly does not die 1861-1881 - seemingly marries in 1882, but an 1886 Norwich marriage - on Ancestry, - gives James Debenham Whincop as the father of this Emma Jane- must be the Emma J Whincop b.1853 Manchester . So, our Emma Jane Whincop remains unaccountable

By 1875 Philip has left Gt Yarmouth and moved north to the thriving fishing port of Grimsby

1875 Philip Whincop, 19, is apprenticed in Grimsby on 4/10/1875 to mariner Samuel Green for 2 years . See Philip Whincop 1856 Documents

1879. A certificate of insurance exists for him to master any vessel insured by the company shown below. See Philip Whincop 1856 Documents

1880. Philip Whincop marries Amy Mary A Howe Caistor Mar 1880 . Hopper Ancestry Tree gives marriage on 28/1/1880, St Andrews Church, Grimsby- from parish register. Also on Ancestry Select Marriages

Philip & Amy Whincop had just 2 children that survived infancy: Philip W Whincop 1880 and Amy M Whincop Jun 1882 . They likely had 2 other children: Charlotte Elizabeth, b. Mar 1884, d.Dec 1884 & Frederick, b. Dec 1884, d. Dec 1885 - Frederick was the name of his younger brother, born 1857

1880. Philip William Whincop is born Caistor Sep 1880 to parents Philip and Amy M A Whincop .

1881C. Philip Whincoop, 24, fisherman, b.Yarmouth is living with his wife and young son at 65 Weelsby St Grimsby, Clee, Lincs. Mistranscription. There is an Emily Whincop ,20, servant, in the previous entry on this census - this could be his sister, Emma, born Jun 1860, missing from the family in 1871C!.

Philip	Whincoop	Head	Married	Male	24	1857	Fisherman	Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Amy M	Whincoop	Wife	Married	Female	22	1859	-	Barking, Essex, England
Philip W	Whincoop	Son	Single	Male	0	1881	-	Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England

and on 28/2/1891 a Receiving order on him reported in the Western Daily Press

Later in the year, his fishing smack, the Harvest Moon, , owned by Joseph Garside,was badly damaged

1891C. Philip Whincop, 34, born Yarmouth, is living with his wife and 2 children, a nephew and a servant Weelsby St Grimsby, Clee, Lincs.

Philip	Whincop	Head	Married	Male	34	1857	Fisherman	Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Amy M A	Whincop	Wife	Married	Female	33	1858	-	Barking, Essex, England
Philip M	Whincop	Son	Single	Male	10	1881	Scholar	Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England
Amy M	Whincop	Daughter	Single	Female	8	1883	Scholar	Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England
Thomas G	Carlton	Nephew	Single	Male	2	1889	-	Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England
Alice J	Jones	Wifes Sister	Single	Female	21	1870	Servant	Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England

Info. from a 2003 & 2006 Rootsweb threads: Amy Maria Whincop b April 21, 1882 married on June 10.1905 in Darnall, Sheffield to William Lawton b1881(?) in Grimsby . She died 25/4/1946 at 50 Comberton Rd. Kidderminster. Occupation fish> salesman,1905, clerk(aerodrome 1946)r. Amy Maria Whincop is the grandmother of a Sally Young Canada . She also has Philip Whincop (1882 fisherman, 1905 foreman)- first presumably from 21/4/1882 b.c. and second maybe from his wife's d.c.. Need to try to contact her - can I reply via Rootsweb ??- seemingly not, 2006 message now archived . Searched on Genes: a Marion has her on the tree but not her husband: a Barbara has him, but not her! And no one has the daughters. Mary Lawton 1908 and Kathleen Lawton 1911 - Sally the daughter of one of these - a second cousin to Tony!. The Lawton family are living 115 Brereton Ave in 1911C; Amy Maria's father, Philip Whincop 1856, was living 255 Brereton Avenue in 1916!

Howard Tree has >3000 people on it : Hopper tree 1800; Armstrong tree 120000; Parsons 9000

Later in the year 1891, his fishing smack, the Harvest Moon, , owned by Joseph Garside,was badly damaged

1901C. Philip Whincop, is at sea & not present in the family home at 65 Weelsby St Grimsby, Clee, Lincs.

Amy M A	Whincop	Head Wife Of P Whincop & Abbr Stu Trawler At Sea	Married	Female	42	1859	-	Barking, Essex, England
Philip W	Whincop	Son	Single	Male	20	1881	School Teacher	Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England
Amy M	Whincop	Daughter	Single	Female	18	1883	School Teacher	Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England

He is in charge of the trawler, the King Stephen.

1905. His wife, Amy Mary A Whincop, 46, dies Grimsby Jun 1905. Date of death on her gravestone is 6/4/1905. They had been married 25 years

1906. Philip Whincop remarries to Mabel Bucknall Grimsby Dec 1906

1907. Jack Whincop born to Philip & Mabel on 24/6/1907

1911C. Philip Whincop, is living with his 2nd wife and his second son with her at 65 Weelsby St Grimsby, Clee, Lincs.

Philip	Whincop	Head	Married	Male	55	1856	Norfolk Yarmouth	Assisting Ships Husband
Mabel	Whincop	Wife	Married	Female	31	1880	Lincoln Stallingborough	-
Sidney M	Whincop	Son	Son	Male	0	1911	Lincoln Grimsby	-
Kate E	Watson	Visitor	Single	Female	20	1891	Lincoln Grimsby

Their eldest child, Jack Whincop, b.Sep 1907, is staying, aged 3, with his maternal grandparents, William, master joiner, & Mary Bucknall, in Stallingborough 

2 more children were born. Ruby E Whincop 17/11/1911 and William H Whincop Dec 1915 .

As far back as 1907, Admiral Lord Charles Beresford had recommended that in the event of war, steam trawlers should be used as minesweepers to protect the industry against the enemy's UBoats and mines. - Garry

One can purchase his Royal Naval Reserve record- his service number being WSA 804 - on the Web from Ancestry, £ 3.30, - wait to see if Garry has this

1915. Commissioned in the Royal Navy on 21/1/1915. Captain of the Silanion , this being converted to a minesweeper As far as the Whincop children were concerned, their father owned the Silanion- Garry .

Like many other requisitioned vessels and crews, Philip and his crew had been mobilised before they had commenced their training, so the first few
weeks in Sussex were spent learning minesweeping techniques and operational duties as serving seamen of the Royal Naval Reserve. The Silanion was
modified for warfare, including the installation of its sixpounder gun on the forecastle. Then the ship and its men joined the intrepid fleet dedicated to
keeping the nation's sealanes as safe as possible. The danger faced by these little ships should not be understated- Garry

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Philip Whincop RNR ~1915 - photo in possession of Garry Whincop, grandson . . .Card sent from Mabel to Philip on 30/1/1916

Documents concerning his 1915 entry into the RNR and his 1916 death

1916. .Philip Whincop, 60, died in Newhaven Military Hospital . He was buried Cleethorpes Cemetery on 18/3/1916 . Recognised as a Commomnwealth War Grave . He died, address 255 Brereton Avenue, Cleethorpes,, aged 60, at the Military Hospital, Newhaven Sussex, on 13/3/1916.. He died of Arterial Scheloris and heart failure . In 1911C, his daughter, Amy Maria, who married William Lawton in 1905, is living at 115 Brereton Avenue! 255 Brereton Avenue was, reportedly, a nice 4 bedroomed end of terrace

His wife, Mabel, received the following telegrams and letters

He was posthumously awarded the 1914-1915 Star[left], The Victory Medal [centre] and the British War Medal [right] . The medals were issued to his widow.19141915

His youngest son, William Hugh, was only a few months old. . Probate of £437.

Mabel eventually received Naval Prize Money totalling fiftysix pounds fifteen shillings.Philip had been insured in the event of his death at sea, but because he had
passed away on land, there could be no claim on the insurance policy. Mabel was left financially worse off than she deserved to be.

 

Mabel Whincop went to New Zealand in 1925 with her 4 children - did Philip 1880 keep in touch with her?

John,17, and Sydney 14, travelled out first on 3/4/1925 on the Corinthic from Southampton to Wellington, their address being 71 Highfield Avenue, Grimsby . Mabel, 45, Miss R, 13, and Master W, 9, followed on the Athenic, also from Southampton on 14/8/1925, their address being Old Market Place Grimsby

They settled in Napier

I have also found Mabel Whincop, 58, travelling to Auckland in 1938, she 'independent' of 25 Springfield Ave, Aldershot?- so she must have come back to visit friends and relatives . Her father died in 1932, her mother in 1930 She died 1959 . Sydney Marshall Whincop died 1992, Auckland . In 1936 she was living Napier Terrace with 2 sons

 

 

INTERESTING - found 20/2/2015!- how I came to contact Garry Whincop

Found on a Ship interest site- Ships Nostalgia:

I'm Garry Whincop, in my mid 70s, I live in New Zealand. My paternal grandfather was Philip Marshall Whincop, who lived in Cleethorpes and was a Grimsby trawler skipper. He died in March 1916. SILANION (sometimes erroneously referred to as Silonian or Salonian) was under his command at time of requisitioning into RNR. SILANION was wrecked on 25 Feb 1928. Three questions I'm seeking answers to at this point are:
1. What other trawlers was he skipper of? (SS King Stephen was one, about 1901).
2. Was he the skipper on the day the SILANION was part of the "heroic rescue" of passengers from the mined SS Runo on 5 Sep 1914? NO
3. Is it possible for me to receive a photo of the Silanion?

Garry's father was William Hugh Whincop, a son of Philip 1856-1916. Hugh served in RN in WW2

Answer to Q2: The skipper on that day was William Flett who was awarded the Board of Trade Silver Medal for Gallantry at sea. From the Scotsman March 12, 1915
SILVER MEDAL AWARDS
GALLANTRY AT SEA RECOGNISED
The King has been pleased, on the recommendation of the Board of Trade, to award the silver medal for gallantry at sea to the following persons in recognition of their services in assisting to rescue the crew and passengers of the steamship Runo, of Hull, which struck a mine in the North Sea on 5th September 1914.
Ambrose Ernest Fisher, skipper of the steam trawler Euripides, of Hull.
Frederick Wollaston, skipper of the steam trawler Cameo, of Hull.
William Flett, skipper of the steam trawler Silanion, of Grimsby.
Henry Wicks, skipper of the steam trawler Straton, of Grimsby.
Mark Howard, skipper of the steam trawler Prince Victor, of Grimsby.
Then:

"My grandfather was born in Yarmouth on 13th May 1856. His father Philip was a master mariner.
Philip Marshall Whincop, my grandfather, obviously moved to Grimsby at some point. According to a document that I think is a Royal Naval document recording his death, etc, there is reference to his having gained his "Certificate of Competency" in 1884. My widowed grandmother came to NZ with her children, one of whom was my father who joined the RN in WW2 and, among other things , was an officer on minesweepers. The SILANION was converted to a minesweeper in WW1 as I understand it...a coincidence!"

 

Now in contact with him, an artist .

8 Dules Wlk Taradale
Napier 4112
  New Zealand 06-845 2805 garry.whincop@gmail.com

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